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hello everyone this is martin willis and

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it gives me great pleasure to bring in

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randall nickerson in just a moment but

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for right now i would like to play the

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trailer for the ariel phenomenon

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which is a phenomenal

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hundreds of people today phone that

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receipt saying they cited an

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unidentifying flying object it was a

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bright light yes like i never did it

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like in my life

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people from all over zimbabwe referring

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the bbc to say

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we've seen something weird if a few of

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us said sort of myself the current pilot

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ariel's school 19 september 94

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he looks at those children

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panic spread

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am i safe or am i not safe he's a

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harvard psychiatrist meet with dr john

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mack a believer in aliens from outer

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space we came away convinced that an

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extraordinary event occurred here i

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think they want people to know that

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we're actually making harm on this world

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how did that get communicated to you

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somehow there was a message about

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pollution from the way he was staring

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oh i was just a harlot journalist

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i've been having war zones but i could

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not handle this ufo thing i mean i never

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felt this could derail my career the

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dean wanted to know what is he doing

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angels yes extraterrestrials no john has

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lost it this night

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this journey is literally to pick up the

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pieces and put them back together

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oh my gosh

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i was right on the logs when it actually

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something that i'll never ever forget

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i've drawn this again

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but i usually kept them quiet people

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think you're crazy

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about it you feel so in love with

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society

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why is it we tend to want to shrink this

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powerful phenomenon to our notions of

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reality rather than being able to

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stretch ourselves to expand what we know

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and to admit that we don't know

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would you like to sit here again

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and if you saw him again what would you

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do

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i'll ask him some questions would you

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like to ask him

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i'll ask him what is he doing on earth

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and what does he want with us

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hi martin thanks for having me on i was

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just i was in my own world watching the

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trailer

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how many times have you how many times

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have you watched that trailer

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so many and i've seen the movie so many

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times but every time i see it i i'm

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always moved

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yes i really just um my crew knows like

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every time we go through the entire film

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i'm crying at two points in the film at

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least

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so yeah it means a lot

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well you know you were there all the way

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through this for 14 and a half years

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that's that's how long you worked on

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this and

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i've been

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a supporter of yours uh when we very

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first met all the way back in 2013 and

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ever since

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and i have uh really

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uh believed in you once i saw your

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your african wildlife photography i said

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oh i can't wait to see this film and it

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showed

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uh the

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the b-rolls that you did the beautiful

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drone shots

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and the uh the elephant walking across

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the road

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you know it all set the scene it was

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just really amazing amazing footage

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thank you and uh my favorite my favorite

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um on this topic

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um it was you know uh

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i heard from alejandro the other day

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and he texts me he goes 20 minutes in oh

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my god

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and then

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at the end he said

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i've waited a long time and you know

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what it was worth it

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and that's i think that's what everyone

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is going to say

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when they watch this so congratulations

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thank you i appreciate that i got to say

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thanks to the kids and

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you know

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the students at ariel who've been

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waiting as long as everybody else has

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you know

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they uh and the supporters your support

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i can't believe we go back to 2013 my

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gosh what happened

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it just goes so fast i i love it that

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was when we were in north carolina oh

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that's right yeah

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interviews there that yeah yeah so

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so i i tried to uh

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we did we both tried to get other

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witnesses on this you know to try to get

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people on i heard uh from francis

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chiramuda he's in the middle of he's in

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the middle of moving

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he couldn't he said this is his fourth

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day of moving and he's his final push he

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just couldn't do it and i think it's in

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the middle of the night he's in

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madagascar i believe

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all over the world to do this

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wha what made you start what what was

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like before everything yeah i mean

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actually the catalyst was uh in

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manhattan

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at the uh

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i was two blocks north of the world

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trade center and uh that was the moment

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i decided to change my career wow as and

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become a filmmaker

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so i did short films and this and that

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and uh caledon kellyanne

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and um

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i showed her a film that i did on first

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for the psychological community or uh

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around silence and listening and the

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importance of those two things

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and then she off she saw that movie she

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loved it and she said would you be

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interested in doing a movie on those

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children that and i said absolutely

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and that was the beginning in september

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2007.

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it was a long time ago i can't believe

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i'm still talking about this and when

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did you do the first interviews with the

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kids as adults as

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you know some of the first ones i did

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early on and then

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it it it spread across the years because

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you know certain witnesses didn't want

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to come forward there you know

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and some took a long time to to come

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forward and be willing to be on camera

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it took time like that's the thing you

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three years or a year or two years i

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couldn't have done it and i couldn't

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have completed that task because there

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was so much resistance to coming forward

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randall i often

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times we'll dive into something like

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this and then i realized that there are

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so many new listeners to this topic and

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want to ask for forgiveness for the

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people that know this story totally but

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if you can in a nutshell for the person

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that's not really familiar with this

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story i mean i would think most people

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are that are listening but it's possible

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there may be a number of them that are

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1994

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if you can just roll into you know

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exactly what happened

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yeah 1994 september 16th it was in the

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early morning that reported something

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that lived very close to the school

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the children at on the playground

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something to their teachers and what

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they saw which was a

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an oval shaped silver

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object craft i don't know what you want

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to call it came down behind their

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playground you know a good distance from

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the edge and they saw these creatures

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one of them at least that came toward

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their them at the edge of the playground

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that's the story

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yeah that's a lot

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to anybody

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right right and i'd like to play a clip

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interviewed selma cydic

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let's see back in 2018

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and i'd like to play this is about a

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five and a half minute clip of her just

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touching on the highlights of what she

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as far as the being goes it's quite it's

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quite interesting and i'm gonna play

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what i called the being or a being um

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three to four feet away from me but it

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boundary of of the tree trunks

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for me i saw it as being grounded on

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on this like copy like area like i keep

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saying i was able to draw a craft

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to the best of my um memory but i did

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not see it floating

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what about on top of the craft and did

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beings or was it

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that i don't know i think that that's a

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question that i may never know um but

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it's but it's definitely a question i've

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asked myself since the experience

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because i honestly couldn't tell you if

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they were to

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they looked i they were identical

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there was no there was no

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difference between the two

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if they were in fact two i have no idea

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now what about i saw some of the

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pictures that were drawn and

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some of them it showed with or one at

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least showed with long hair and all

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those others showed no hair at all

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what did you what do you remember seeing

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i remember seeing one that did not have

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mine did not have any no facial hair no

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i mean i couldn't tell if there was body

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hair because it was in

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white color

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yes almost like a like a nude

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poison

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color is what i could is what i could

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i think i said porcelain that it just

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looked completely perfect there was no

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blemish there was no

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nothing it just was so smooth and it

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almost looked um

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you know i think porcelain is just it's

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very it's very firm it's stiff it's kind

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of stoic like so if you were to think of

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a

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um

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but it was

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there was no you know the expression on

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on its face was not one that i really

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understood

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there was no smile there was no frown

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you know they were not um facial there

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was no facial recognition for me to

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comprehend at that time

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i know some people feel as though they

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got a message of some type did you have

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any

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i did not have a message i

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if i do i don't know what that message

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is it hasn't fully computed maybe um

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it was very

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it was

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not calming i don't quite know how to

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describe it but it was like nothing i've

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ever done i've ever felt before

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there was no fear it was just

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almost as though this being was looking

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into my soul like it knew me like it

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knew who i was that is the best that i

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can describe

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um this sort of like interlocking of

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eyes for however long it was

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but i was with my friend emma at the

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time

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and the moment i walked away from her

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because i had

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a younger brother and sister also on the

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playground because i was worried about

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them the moment i walked away from her i

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didn't see the being again and

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you know i

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i stopped dropped the gaze and and

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walked away and checked on my siblings

331
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and that was my experience that was sort

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of the extent of my experience

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the being was what i remember most if

334
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i'm being honest um the craft i i do

335
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remember drawing a craft so i i remember

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seeing

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some part of it i don't even know the

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extent of what i saw

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in terms of size um but i would say

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maybe like a

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like a it was

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silver-esque

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in color um maybe

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sort of like disc shaped-ish

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but

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it was it was a a type of

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[Music]

348
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metal or

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fabrication that i i'd never seen before

350
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and my dad is a steel fabricator so i

351
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could say that steel that's you know

352
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that's aluminium or whatever but i had

353
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never seen anything like that before so

354
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i have no idea what it was it was it was

355
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completely unusual and i say

356
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silver-esque because it wasn't quite

357
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silver but it was look it's the closest

358
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thing i could

359
00:16:06,829 --> 00:16:02,720
i could

360
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to well i just i just love that i love

361
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that interview and it's really has quite

362
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a bit of a attention

363
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um on youtube lots of downloads and you

364
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know the full length um interview

365
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uh so well spoken

366
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and i think it's really interesting that

367
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it seems like everyone saw something a

368
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little

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different or

370
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but i think that actually adds to the

371
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credibility in a way because you know

372
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you can have

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five people see a car crash and they all

374
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have something a little bit different

375
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about about what they saw they can't

376
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they can't help that but uh

377
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but a wonderful lady um she couldn't

378
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make the show tonight but she did leave

379
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us a message and i might as well play

380
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that now

381
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she uh she sent me a voice message today

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to

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hi martin i am so sorry that i

384
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am not able to make your show um

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i

386
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hard work

387
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uh

388
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these past what 13 years it seems longer

389
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and i'm so so happy

390
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for him um and proud of him for

391
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this amazing piece of work that um while

392
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i haven't seen yet um i trust and fully

393
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believe and i've heard

394
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that it is just

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one of the most incredible

396
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depictions of our story so

397
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thank you to randall for his tireless

398
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work um and commitment to

399
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not only

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getting our story out but in doing it in

401
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a way that is incredibly ethical

402
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um

403
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and incredibly true

404
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and um

405
00:18:12,950 --> 00:18:11,679
and incredibly us

406
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so

407
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i know i speak for myself um when i say

408
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this but i have no doubt that other folk

409
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who have been included will agree so

410
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i don't have any insight into the film

411
00:18:28,710 --> 00:18:27,039
other than um

412
00:18:31,669 --> 00:18:28,720
what i've heard from other folks who

413
00:18:34,230 --> 00:18:31,679
have seen it and i'm so so excited for

414
00:18:36,950 --> 00:18:34,240
everything that is going to come

415
00:18:39,590 --> 00:18:36,960
as soon as more folk continue to see

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this film and thank you so much martin

417
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for having this platform for folk to

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share their experiences or just learn a

419
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what else is out there so

420
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thank you

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both i look forward to talking with you

422
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both soon and hopefully eve seeing you

423
00:19:03,190 --> 00:19:00,559
even sooner

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pretty moving

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greatness to you i don't even know what

426
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to say that's just

427
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beautiful

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thank you you know that's all i can say

429
00:19:18,630 --> 00:19:16,160
is thank you thank you guarantee she did

430
00:19:20,070 --> 00:19:18,640
that in one take

431
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yes

432
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he's a very intelligent woman i can tell

433
00:19:28,470 --> 00:19:25,520
you that yes yes yeah and i also thought

434
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that about emma in the film she seemed

435
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absolutely

436
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and the most very intelligent

437
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a lot of intelligent people here

438
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witnesses

439
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yeah and

440
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the fact that she hadn't even told her

441
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yeah

442
00:19:45,110 --> 00:19:43,200
she hadn't told her husband

443
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well her husband knows now i would

444
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imagine

445
00:19:51,590 --> 00:19:47,840
oh yeah

446
00:19:56,710 --> 00:19:54,630
so randall what were just so the the

447
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listener knows what were some of the

448
00:20:01,350 --> 00:19:59,200
challenges i mean i i would think the

449
00:20:04,230 --> 00:20:01,360
biggest challenge you know there was uh

450
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such a it was such a whirring country

451
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that there was uh fleeing everywhere

452
00:20:11,110 --> 00:20:09,039
people fled all over the world from

453
00:20:13,669 --> 00:20:11,120
south africa at that time right

454
00:20:16,070 --> 00:20:13,679
correct well zimbabwe as well i mean

455
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zimbabwe in particular

456
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um

457
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[Music]

458
00:20:22,149 --> 00:20:20,559
was that your biggest challenge just

459
00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:22,159
trying to track everyone down and how

460
00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:24,400
did you do it i mean you started when

461
00:20:29,750 --> 00:20:26,640
you know social media wasn't facebook

462
00:20:32,710 --> 00:20:29,760
didn't exist in 2007

463
00:20:33,669 --> 00:20:32,720
yeah we were using myspace to begin with

464
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and then

465
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facebook really came out and that that

466
00:20:40,230 --> 00:20:37,919
really did change things i was able to

467
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get in touch with a lot of uh people

468
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through that

469
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and i had help from uh

470
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mr and mrs gerd and nikki carter and you

471
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know

472
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going to zimbabwe which no no there was

473
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no american was supposed to even go in

474
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there

475
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that's when the new york times guy who

476
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for some reason stayed in harare i was

477
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in the shack

478
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you know like

479
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way away from any government people

480
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matter of fact when i went into the

481
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library i had these

482
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they call them ceo they're like cia

483
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whatever for zimbabwe

484
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follow

485
00:21:23,909 --> 00:21:20,320
several really anyway yeah it was just

486
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not a good time to be in the country um

487
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as an american and anybody with a camera

488
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for sure

489
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did you fear did you have times where

490
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you actually feared for your life oh all

491
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the time

492
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really oh god yeah

493
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oh i mean i love africa but

494
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you got to consider the safety for sure

495
00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:43,200
yeah wow anyway yeah but never mind the

496
00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:47,039
lions and tigers and oh yeah that too

497
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:49,600
there's 550 pound cats out in that woods

498
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yeah

499
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so

500
00:22:03,350 --> 00:22:01,039
couldn't have been

501
00:22:06,149 --> 00:22:03,360
i i can't imagine that every single

502
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person that you approached

503
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said okay yes i'll i'll be interviewed

504
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oh yeah no most of them didn't

505
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most of them you know i talked to them

506
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off camera and they

507
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you know the whole question was

508
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you know

509
00:22:21,669 --> 00:22:19,679
would you be willing to tell tell the

510
00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:21,679
story you're telling me on camera you

511
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:22,960
know and a lot of people didn't want to

512
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do that because they had families kids

513
00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:28,400
successful careers you know

514
00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:29,679
so

515
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and not to mention

516
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i mean the people that i do have in the

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film they all took risks

518
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:37,120
yeah every single one of them are taking

519
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:39,280
a risk right now

520
00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:41,280
you know so i think the stigma has

521
00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:43,520
lifted quite a bit your timing of this

522
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:44,480
release

523
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:47,440
you're in a time now where i think

524
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that the stigma is less than it has been

525
00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:51,039
true you know

526
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:52,960
um over the years

527
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:55,600
yes finally yeah if i came out with this

528
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:57,600
film when i you know three years after i

529
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:58,960
started

530
00:23:01,750 --> 00:23:00,960
we wouldn't be talking about it

531
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:01,760
yeah

532
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:06,240
like this release last friday on the

533
00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:08,480
20th what what's uh

534
00:23:12,310 --> 00:23:10,799
what's going on with the with the film i

535
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:12,320
know we had a little you had a little

536
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:13,919
server problem because you had so many

537
00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:16,240
people jumping on it right that's true

538
00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:19,600
um we're still uh fixing issues all the

539
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:21,760
time until we get it really streamlined

540
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:24,159
and this in a way it was kind of a test

541
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:26,000
before we go to the big streamers and

542
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:27,360
stuff uh

543
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:29,280
you know to get the bugs out and

544
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:31,360
unfortunately we've had problems but

545
00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:32,559
we'll have it straight now because

546
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:35,039
everybody's working full time on it

547
00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:37,760
um you know it is fine you can go there

548
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:39,200
watch the film everything works fine

549
00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:40,320
we're just talking about the little

550
00:23:43,830 --> 00:23:41,840
stuff at this point

551
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:43,840
um i had to hire somebody new today

552
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:45,120
probably going to hire another person

553
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:47,520
tomorrow because we're just overwhelmed

554
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:49,200
you know

555
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:51,360
all my crew is overwhelmed they they

556
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:53,760
need help you know so

557
00:23:57,669 --> 00:23:55,840
i'm interviewing tomorrow and then only

558
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:57,679
probably two to two people tomorrow to

559
00:24:01,590 --> 00:23:59,520
come on to the team

560
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:01,600
it's a good problem to have i mean yes

561
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:03,520
doing absolutely well and it just makes

562
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:05,039
me feel just so

563
00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:06,960
touched you know that

564
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:08,960
wow this is something that only a few

565
00:24:12,789 --> 00:24:10,960
people have ever seen and now

566
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:12,799
other people get to see it

567
00:24:16,390 --> 00:24:15,120
and to hear the feedback it's just oh my

568
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:16,400
gosh

569
00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:18,480
i'm getting all kinds of feedback

570
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:19,600
from

571
00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:23,279
it and

572
00:24:27,269 --> 00:24:24,559
there's

573
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:27,279
you know everyone has mentioned

574
00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:28,880
uh you know

575
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:31,360
what what you know if if this doesn't

576
00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:33,200
move the needle if someone can watch

577
00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:36,320
this and try to debunk

578
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:38,080
you know debunk it which i'm sure

579
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:40,000
there's you know the thing you hear most

580
00:24:45,029 --> 00:24:42,000
commonly is the mass hysteria that's

581
00:24:47,029 --> 00:24:45,039
what um you know is out there but

582
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:47,039
there's just too many

583
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:49,440
there's and your film just plays it out

584
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:52,000
perfectly uh one of the one of the

585
00:24:57,909 --> 00:24:55,200
things that i really was looking forward

586
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:57,919
to and was not disappointed

587
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:00,720
and that is uh that you had this guy in

588
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:03,120
there john mack there's a lot of great

589
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:04,080
footage

590
00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:06,400
from john mack uh what how he

591
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:07,840
interviewed these

592
00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:10,480
children and all the information he

593
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:12,640
softly got out of them without leading

594
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:15,200
them in any type of way

595
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:18,159
he would basically you know ask

596
00:25:21,669 --> 00:25:20,159
what they were thinking and what they

597
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:21,679
felt and

598
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:24,080
write down on their level eye to eye and

599
00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:25,919
wonderful interviews i'm so glad that

600
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:28,400
was captured on film can you imagine if

601
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:30,799
that wasn't caught on film if any of

602
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:33,279
this wasn't caught on film back then

603
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:35,919
we wouldn't be talking about the story

604
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:37,840
right really

605
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:39,600
yeah thank god and there were so many

606
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:41,279
people that actually interviewed these

607
00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:42,960
kids john definitely was a highlight

608
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:45,039
because of his training

609
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:47,760
but all those other people that also

610
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:49,919
interviewed them

611
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:52,400
you know there's value in those tapes as

612
00:25:56,230 --> 00:25:53,679
well

613
00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:56,240
and is it tim leach what was uh from the

614
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:57,279
bbc

615
00:26:02,149 --> 00:25:59,760
correct yep timmy it took me two years

616
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:02,159
to find that guy

617
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:06,480
and uh he was great he was great yeah

618
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:08,640
and did he did he more or less get

619
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:10,799
booted from the bbc from

620
00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:14,080
from just doing that really

621
00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:15,840
think about that

622
00:26:21,909 --> 00:26:19,279
that that's amazing he's in the war zone

623
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:21,919
filming you know action in the war and

624
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:24,640
then he does the ufos and then he's

625
00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:25,840
booted

626
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:27,919
yeah i think there's a and i'm not he's

627
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:29,120
not the only person i've heard this

628
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:30,880
about like you know

629
00:26:35,510 --> 00:26:33,840
they people that do war coverage uh burn

630
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:35,520
out some of them do

631
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:37,919
oh really our profession you know i had

632
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:39,600
the opportunity to go in there and i got

633
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:41,760
to meet a lot of people that did it you

634
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:44,080
know to do that kind of work and i i

635
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:46,960
just was like i can't do that to myself

636
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:48,240
because i see what it does to other

637
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:49,360
people

638
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:51,520
and i i just was like no

639
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:52,960
i'm not gonna i'm gonna stay away from

640
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:55,200
that because it's dangerous you know oh

641
00:26:59,350 --> 00:26:57,360
yeah as far as for for your own psyche

642
00:27:01,669 --> 00:26:59,360
to see that kind of thing

643
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:01,679
on a regular basis but tim was an

644
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:03,840
amazing man the guy had bullet he had a

645
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:05,679
bullet in his leg and

646
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:08,240
oh wow what a story i mean

647
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:11,279
pretty interesting but a funny man who

648
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:14,720
really made fantastic music he was a he

649
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:17,840
photographed for the um

650
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:20,159
you know all the famous uh bands back in

651
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:22,720
the 70s he was the tour photographer oh

652
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:25,120
wow someone said do some research on him

653
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:27,919
because that man's story is incredible

654
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:30,559
yeah he died fairly young too

655
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:32,640
yeah i saw that you had a dedication to

656
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:34,799
him which was yeah at the end of the

657
00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:37,039
film yeah i really wanted him to see

658
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:38,080
this man

659
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:38,880
yeah

660
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:40,640
i've unfortunately i've had a lot of

661
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:42,799
loss of you know there's been a lot of

662
00:27:46,389 --> 00:27:44,720
loss during the making of this film yeah

663
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:46,399
so many people

664
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:47,200
yes

665
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:49,679
that i wanted to have see this but i

666
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:50,880
guess they're going to see it from some

667
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:52,159
other place

668
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:54,000
yeah i think about it

669
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:56,559
but yeah i missed him

670
00:28:02,870 --> 00:27:59,760
yeah yeah and how how would how are you

671
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:02,880
getting the word out there i know

672
00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:04,559
i can see in the united states but i

673
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:07,279
mean worldwide is it really hard to

674
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:09,279
really get this pushed out there i mean

675
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:11,440
you know we have a team working on it it

676
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:14,159
was worldwide from day one i mean it was

677
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:16,000
it's been all over the world people are

678
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:18,720
buying it so that's really interesting

679
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:20,799
yeah all kinds of countries that

680
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:22,559
you wouldn't think about

681
00:28:27,029 --> 00:28:25,200
but uh yeah there's it's it's it's doing

682
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:27,039
really well and we're making further

683
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:29,760
steps and friends are making phone calls

684
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:31,039
and

685
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:33,039
you know i think pretty soon we're going

686
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:36,320
to be opening up in theaters um

687
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:38,080
around the world you know in different

688
00:28:43,669 --> 00:28:41,679
locations boston new york l.a

689
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:43,679
well i will travel because it wasn't

690
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:45,440
great for the big screen i would i know

691
00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:46,240
yeah

692
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:50,480
great plays great on the big screen the

693
00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:53,200
sound the soundtrack everything's

694
00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:55,679
we we did screen it and in a in a big

695
00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:58,720
screen theater and uh wow yeah we were

696
00:29:00,950 --> 00:29:00,080
all crying

697
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:00,960
yeah

698
00:29:06,149 --> 00:29:03,360
so kovac came along and kind of changed

699
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:06,159
all that but it still it still might hit

700
00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:09,120
the theater is what you're saying

701
00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:10,240
yes

702
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:12,320
that would be great that's that's where

703
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:13,840
i think this thing belongs i'll make

704
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:17,120
that happen yep yeah i have a a question

705
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:19,200
someone sent to me today

706
00:29:21,029 --> 00:29:20,159
and

707
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:21,039
uh

708
00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:23,039
i'm not familiar with this but

709
00:29:29,110 --> 00:29:26,480
they said that you stated in relation to

710
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:29,120
the appearance of a ufo that if you hear

711
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:31,360
a sound of a flute as opposed to some

712
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:33,120
other sound

713
00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:35,760
then quote you're in trouble

714
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:38,799
and uh in an ominous way and this person

715
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:40,480
wanted to know what exactly do you mean

716
00:29:45,269 --> 00:29:42,320
what kind of trouble if you hear the

717
00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:48,149
uh

718
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:50,070
i don't know what it is to be honest

719
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:52,720
with you i have no idea what that sound

720
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:54,960
comes from to be honest with you but if

721
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:56,640
you hear that

722
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:03,430
things change

723
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:04,799
i don't know how else to say it without

724
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:06,399
getting i just don't want to go too far

725
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:08,720
down my own uh

726
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:11,600
understanding of that

727
00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:13,039
so i only heard

728
00:30:18,549 --> 00:30:15,200
when the when john mack was interviewing

729
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:18,559
these young children i only heard

730
00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:20,399
a small girl

731
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:22,960
say that it sounded like a flute were

732
00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:25,600
there other children that also

733
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:28,000
heard that some described it as a very

734
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:29,520
high-pitched sound

735
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:31,360
a couple said it sounded like a flute

736
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:33,440
things they understood in band

737
00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:36,720
or whatever music class and um

738
00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:39,279
um but there was enough witnesses there

739
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:41,279
that talked about the high pitch that i

740
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:43,440
i i knew what that was

741
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:45,520
you know wow

742
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:47,039
so they're not to you know how in the

743
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:48,960
movie they talk about the buzzing sound

744
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:50,720
the electric you know the b mechanical

745
00:30:54,789 --> 00:30:52,640
sound some people describe it as

746
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:54,799
and then there's that high pitch sound

747
00:30:58,710 --> 00:30:57,360
that's they're totally different

748
00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:58,720
and they're in there for different

749
00:31:03,269 --> 00:31:00,799
purposes which i can't pretend to

750
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:03,279
understand what that is

751
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:06,880
so if you hear that sound you better

752
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:09,039
hustle away whatever you can do or is it

753
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:10,880
too late i hear that sound i'm in

754
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:11,840
trouble

755
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:13,840
wow i can tell you that

756
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:15,360
yeah i don't know it's kind of

757
00:31:19,830 --> 00:31:17,600
fascinating i think i'll i'll continue

758
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:19,840
the discussion uh offline

759
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:21,440
yeah but we don't focus

760
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:23,120
yeah we don't have to focus on that in

761
00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:25,600
the movie and i don't know yeah

762
00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:29,200
but yeah they did hear that sound and

763
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:32,559
you know amongst many many other things

764
00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:35,120
you know they described a really

765
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:37,600
particular detail that also comes from

766
00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:40,559
many many many many other cases

767
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:43,120
including sound including description

768
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:45,120
including movement including all those

769
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:47,120
things so

770
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:48,640
now i don't know if this is a touchy

771
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:50,159
subject or not but i i had a

772
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:52,880
conversation with james fox um offline

773
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:55,440
when i was hanging out with him um after

774
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:57,120
we did a show together

775
00:32:01,350 --> 00:31:59,440
and uh he mentioned that

776
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:01,360
uh

777
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:04,240
that netflix he almost went into netflix

778
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:06,240
and then he says thank god i didn't and

779
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:08,159
he's he said that you might have had a

780
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:10,159
similar struggle is that anything you

781
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:12,480
would even talk about

782
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:16,240
no i had to sign a piece of paper so

783
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:18,960
okay all right so uh so that didn't

784
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:22,399
happen so i i think that it'll probably

785
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:24,159
be a good thing because from what i

786
00:32:27,190 --> 00:32:26,000
understand what james said

787
00:32:29,190 --> 00:32:27,200
was that

788
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:29,200
times you have to

789
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:30,720
uh while they actually hold the

790
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:32,480
licensing to the

791
00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:35,279
video and all the film for a number of

792
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:36,159
years

793
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:38,080
which would you know tie your hands up

794
00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:41,200
from doing anything else

795
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:44,159
so correct yeah yep so it's good you

796
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:46,080
didn't go that way and uh yeah well you

797
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:49,440
know i i would like as as i have been in

798
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:51,120
touch with you all these years

799
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:53,519
to be able to announce

800
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:54,480
like

801
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:56,480
when this thing might go to theaters or

802
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:58,399
when it's coming out dvd that's what a

803
00:33:01,029 --> 00:33:00,000
lot of people want to know right now you

804
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:01,039
can rent

805
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:04,799
the movie as a stream for about is it 48

806
00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:05,840
hours

807
00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:06,640
yes

808
00:33:11,830 --> 00:33:09,840
normal v8

809
00:33:13,830 --> 00:33:11,840
uh i mean we basically

810
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:13,840
copy what the vods are doing you know

811
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:15,519
video on demand

812
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:18,240
oh vodka anything unusual it's just and

813
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:19,519
you know there's people been asking

814
00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:21,360
about can we buy it well they don't sell

815
00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:24,240
it right away you know they wait till

816
00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:25,600
they you know

817
00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:26,399
they

818
00:33:31,029 --> 00:33:28,720
ain't make enough money to pay their the

819
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:31,039
money they owe and then yeah then they

820
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:32,960
start thinking okay when when can we

821
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:34,080
sell it because you just don't want to

822
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:35,919
have it all over the world you know and

823
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:36,960
people

824
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:38,399
copying it everywhere you know what i

825
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:40,080
mean so i think that's part of the

826
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:41,440
reasoning too

827
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:44,399
but you know the honest reason i went um

828
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:46,799
and put it out myself is because this is

829
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:49,840
the movie i wanted to make and

830
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:52,399
uh over five years period of time i was

831
00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:54,480
approached by several people in the

832
00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:56,320
industry and they all wanted to make

833
00:34:00,389 --> 00:33:57,919
changes and

834
00:34:01,990 --> 00:34:00,399
at the end of the day i said no to a lot

835
00:34:04,470 --> 00:34:02,000
of things to

836
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:04,480
to tell the story how i saw it you know

837
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:06,960
and and with the people with all

838
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:09,119
first-person witnesses that's there's no

839
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:12,399
third person second person it's all from

840
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:14,639
everybody's mouth their own

841
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:16,320
experiences of things whether they're

842
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:19,280
journalists or doctors or paramedics or

843
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:21,280
pilots you know

844
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:23,280
and to be clear there's no narration

845
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:25,679
this is a story that unfolds that's a

846
00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:29,760
very difficult type of film to make

847
00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:32,800
narration you know is easy and uh

848
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:34,960
because you can control the story but if

849
00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:36,800
you want to tell the story using the

850
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:38,480
witnesses using the people that were

851
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:39,839
involved

852
00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:42,159
uh you got to have

853
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:45,040
them say those words in in you know

854
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:46,960
not say those words but

855
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:48,960
you they have to have the words in order

856
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:50,960
to tell the story and thank god there

857
00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:53,040
was enough archival and thank god i did

858
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:55,760
enough interviews that it was there

859
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:57,680
it takes an enormous amount of work to

860
00:35:02,470 --> 00:35:00,000
to do a film that way now you mentioned

861
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:02,480
just a minute ago that there were you

862
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:04,720
know five years i don't know five years

863
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:06,880
in maybe or five years ago

864
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:08,720
um there was different ways you could

865
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:10,880
have gone with this sure and i imagine

866
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:12,480
it would have been

867
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:15,119
probably like uh you could have made

868
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:17,920
some serious money if you did

869
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:19,680
you could have made a a big profit if

870
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:21,520
you went that way and then just sort of

871
00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:24,960
made a serious amount of money last year

872
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:25,839
and

873
00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:30,400
about you know through people in the

874
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:33,280
film industry that you you turned it

875
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:35,200
down and it's because they wanted to

876
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:36,480
change things

877
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:37,440
correct

878
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:38,880
yeah

879
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:41,760
so i think uh i think that speaks a lot

880
00:35:45,990 --> 00:35:42,960
for

881
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:46,000
you and uh and what you're you're trying

882
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:47,440
to do here and

883
00:35:53,589 --> 00:35:50,160
and it definitely shows in the film yeah

884
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:54,550
yeah

885
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:59,030
so i want to ask you where was this shot

886
00:36:04,390 --> 00:36:01,440
taken from this beautiful

887
00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:04,400
uh shot you did right here uh that was

888
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:07,200
taken from the drachenberg mountains in

889
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:10,800
uh south africa um

890
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:12,880
just a stunning place where the royal

891
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:15,920
family goes once in a while

892
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:17,839
uh it's just a beautiful main place but

893
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:20,240
that's very much a lot lot a lot of

894
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:22,320
parts of africa i mean just africa is

895
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:23,359
huge

896
00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:25,520
right humongous people don't understand

897
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:28,240
how big africa is it's

898
00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:30,720
wow and it's just it goes on and on and

899
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:32,720
on and on and it's just a beautiful

900
00:36:38,069 --> 00:36:36,240
country really beautiful beautiful uh

901
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:38,079
continent

902
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:40,400
with so much diversity and

903
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:43,119
culture it's it's a really special place

904
00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:44,640
on this planet

905
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:46,640
absolutely yeah i've never been there

906
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:48,560
but it's one of the places i think would

907
00:36:52,829 --> 00:36:50,560
be really interesting to go

908
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:52,839
so emily um

909
00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:55,760
emily was

910
00:36:59,670 --> 00:36:57,920
i liked the way she told the third story

911
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:59,680
i think some of her artwork is really

912
00:37:01,750 --> 00:37:00,640
unique

913
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:01,760
um

914
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:02,800
she

915
00:37:07,349 --> 00:37:05,040
uh really you could really see the

916
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:07,359
emotion

917
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:09,599
in emily there was a lot of things that

918
00:37:14,710 --> 00:37:11,599
really moved her

919
00:37:17,670 --> 00:37:14,720
and i thought they were it was very good

920
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:17,680
the way she it was it was done very in a

921
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:19,440
very classy way

922
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:21,200
to basically show

923
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:23,119
her struggles

924
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:24,640
you know she was from a family of

925
00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:27,119
missionaries and from what i understand

926
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:29,760
her brother had a really hard time

927
00:37:32,470 --> 00:37:31,440
and probably didn't even want to talk

928
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:32,480
about it

929
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:34,800
yeah that's true i've talked i talked

930
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:37,040
with her brother and i feel like i don't

931
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:39,280
feel great about

932
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:42,320
exposing him in any way um

933
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:45,280
you know but i i i gotta

934
00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:47,760
for emily to trust me for their family

935
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:49,280
to trust me

936
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:51,119
that i would do the right thing

937
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:53,760
and it was an honor

938
00:37:59,670 --> 00:37:56,160
because the things i got to hear and

939
00:38:01,829 --> 00:37:59,680
film i mean are just it's real

940
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:01,839
you know and that was the point you know

941
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:04,640
like yeah i want you to be yourself

942
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:07,359
yeah just you know i you can trust me

943
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:08,800
i'm not going to make you look like a

944
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:11,520
you know i just you know trust is a huge

945
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:14,400
part of this because

946
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:16,000
you know particularly all those kids

947
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:17,520
know what it's like to have gone through

948
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:19,680
it and have people

949
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:21,760
take advantage of you or

950
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:22,880
you know

951
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:25,359
spin your story or call you crazy you

952
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:26,240
know

953
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:27,359
yeah

954
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:28,560
it's tough

955
00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:31,200
yeah yeah and

956
00:38:35,109 --> 00:38:33,760
what about the demon

957
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:35,119
the demonic

958
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:38,480
side of this how often did that come up

959
00:38:41,589 --> 00:38:40,079
well

960
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:41,599
um um

961
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:43,520
it came up once in a particular

962
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:46,079
interview that i want to go to beat

963
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:48,960
somebody one of the kids that was there

964
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:50,960
i was really excited to meet with him

965
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:52,160
because i had met i'd already

966
00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:54,400
interviewed his friends and

967
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:56,400
they're like you have to talk to him

968
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:58,320
so i called him we set up the time he

969
00:39:02,310 --> 00:39:00,400
told me a lot on the phone and i got to

970
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:02,320
where he lived which was hours and hours

971
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:04,160
from where i was

972
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:06,560
and uh i called him they said i can't

973
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:08,800
find your house and his wife got on the

974
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:10,560
line and said

975
00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:12,720
he doesn't want to talk to you he's he

976
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:14,240
you know i don't even know if he knows

977
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:15,280
this

978
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:17,359
uh but he doesn't want to talk to you

979
00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:18,960
whatever happened at the school was the

980
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:20,960
devil and you you're somehow doing the

981
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:23,280
devil's work and i was just my mouth

982
00:39:26,829 --> 00:39:25,839
just dropped because i'm like

983
00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:26,839
yeah

984
00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:29,920
what but you know i was upset actually

985
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:31,359
for a little while and then i thought

986
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:34,240
about it and like wow

987
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:37,599
it had to be a big deal if it was if

988
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:39,440
people are thinking it had something to

989
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:41,280
do you know it just said something

990
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:43,920
happened there that was pretty

991
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:46,800
pretty uh impactful and

992
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:48,880
you know how do we

993
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:50,720
you know people are gonna think because

994
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:51,920
of

995
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:53,760
their beliefs that it's a certain thing

996
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:56,400
or this or that and that's fine

997
00:40:02,310 --> 00:39:59,280
um but it actually in my mind just like

998
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:02,320
it bolstered the story because why would

999
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:04,560
anybody use that excuse

1000
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:05,520
me

1001
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:06,960
you know

1002
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:08,640
something happened there that was really

1003
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:10,640
disturbing and if you have a religious

1004
00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:11,839
take on it

1005
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:13,839
that's fine but it doesn't mean it

1006
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:15,359
didn't happen

1007
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:16,720
you know

1008
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:20,960
i just think we're dealing with

1009
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:22,800
something that we've never really

1010
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:25,680
confronted before and it's not not even

1011
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:28,000
a it's not even about religion

1012
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:29,040
you know

1013
00:40:31,829 --> 00:40:30,480
it's not it's not about any of the

1014
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:31,839
things that we think it's going to be

1015
00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:32,720
about

1016
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:35,440
it's just not right right now by the

1017
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:36,880
testimony because you can hear how

1018
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:41,040
strange it all is it's it's it's weird

1019
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:42,000
but

1020
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:44,160
yeah you know that's

1021
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:46,079
of course you might think that if we're

1022
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:47,599
gonna run into

1023
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:52,000
another species that's from out there uh

1024
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:53,760
it's gonna be weird

1025
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:54,960
right

1026
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:57,040
and i remember when we were speaking

1027
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:57,839
with

1028
00:41:03,030 --> 00:41:00,240
uh francis chiramuda

1029
00:41:05,829 --> 00:41:03,040
him talking about what a good name he is

1030
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:05,839
yes he's really cool

1031
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:08,160
just sent me a picture of himself

1032
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:09,200
uh

1033
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:10,640
in the middle of this move which i think

1034
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:12,240
is pretty funny

1035
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:14,480
but uh

1036
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:16,160
they uh

1037
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:17,920
he was saying they were

1038
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:20,640
it was like blinking out like the

1039
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:22,319
creature was like blinking out and

1040
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:24,960
blinking back in ahead of itself

1041
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:27,040
which is the craziest

1042
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:28,960
thing to try to imagine

1043
00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:30,640
you know and

1044
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:32,800
i didn't hear anyone else basically say

1045
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:34,400
that you know they saw

1046
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:36,400
go toward this swimming pool but there

1047
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:37,359
must

1048
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:38,880
have been other people that saw that

1049
00:41:41,589 --> 00:41:40,079
same thing

1050
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:41,599
did you talk to

1051
00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:46,150
yeah which another thing that doesn't

1052
00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:48,640
make any sense you know

1053
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:50,720
uh make sure

1054
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:52,240
the thing that was blinking out and

1055
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:54,560
blinking in right i heard that from a

1056
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:56,240
lot of the witnesses

1057
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:59,200
yeah yeah and and one of the things i

1058
00:42:01,910 --> 00:42:00,880
thought was

1059
00:42:03,030 --> 00:42:01,920
one

1060
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:03,040
yeah

1061
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:05,119
one of the things i thought was really

1062
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:06,319
interesting

1063
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:07,440
and that is

1064
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:08,400
that

1065
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:10,720
um when john mack

1066
00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:12,000
was

1067
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:13,599
talking to these kids

1068
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:15,359
and they said that

1069
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:18,240
they got some type of message

1070
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:20,480
um and it's basically that we're

1071
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:22,160
destroying the planet

1072
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:23,680
and that

1073
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:25,200
he also said

1074
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:27,119
during your film

1075
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:30,400
that they didn't give any solution to

1076
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:32,480
how to fix it they just talked about

1077
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:34,160
that it's happening

1078
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:35,359
and

1079
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:38,079
a friend of mine that watched the film

1080
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:41,040
said to me well that kind of rules out

1081
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:43,359
time travel doesn't it

1082
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:44,960
which i thought was a real interesting

1083
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:46,400
take on that

1084
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:48,400
you know if they were from the future

1085
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:51,119
they'd say hey do this and do that don't

1086
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:52,079
do this

1087
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:53,040
make our

1088
00:42:58,150 --> 00:42:56,640
type of thing

1089
00:43:01,589 --> 00:42:58,160
yeah i've had a lot of thought about

1090
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:03,510
you know i think what we're dealing with

1091
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:05,359
is on such a

1092
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:07,760
uh

1093
00:43:11,829 --> 00:43:10,240
such an evolved level so far beyond us

1094
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:11,839
that uh what are they going to do

1095
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:13,119
intervene

1096
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:14,160
i mean

1097
00:43:17,829 --> 00:43:15,040
um

1098
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:17,839
maybe they're just giving us a

1099
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:20,880
that warning for us to do it ourselves

1100
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:22,240
because i think they understand the

1101
00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:25,359
consequences of just showing up

1102
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:28,000
yeah it's not going to be easy

1103
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:29,040
right

1104
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:31,119
you know and and so one of the things

1105
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:32,400
that

1106
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:34,319
i didn't know so much was happening well

1107
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:36,240
a couple things i didn't know until i

1108
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:37,520
watched your film

1109
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:39,280
and that's one of them one of them is

1110
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:41,359
that these things were showing up all

1111
00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:43,680
over the place for a while there right

1112
00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:46,480
it wasn't just an isolated incident

1113
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:48,640
can you talk about the different ways

1114
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:50,960
people even saw an aircraft saw

1115
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:52,560
someone from an aircraft multiple

1116
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:54,720
aircraft sought um

1117
00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:56,960
i was only able to interview one of the

1118
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:58,880
pilots who was in contact with the other

1119
00:44:05,030 --> 00:43:59,760
two

1120
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:05,040
one headed to england and i believe it

1121
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:08,640
was qantas heading to australia

1122
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:10,400
uh or coming into

1123
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:12,480
um

1124
00:44:18,069 --> 00:44:14,160
coming into

1125
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:18,079
johannes johannesburg international um

1126
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:18,800
so

1127
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:21,280
those witnesses i've seen them in

1128
00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:24,319
chat rooms here and there and

1129
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:27,359
i would i just was unable to locate them

1130
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:29,200
but i hope they come forward there's a

1131
00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:31,280
lot of people that i hope come forward

1132
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:33,280
because of what they saw

1133
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:34,319
and

1134
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:36,000
you know everybody of course because of

1135
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:38,319
the stigma the way it's been forever

1136
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:40,880
you know they

1137
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:42,960
hopefully will say okay it's a different

1138
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:43,760
day

1139
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:47,599
publicly

1140
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:49,599
say what i saw there's a lot of people

1141
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:50,560
like that

1142
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:53,040
a lot and why do you think the teacher

1143
00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:55,440
that supposedly witnessed it she

1144
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:56,319
wouldn't

1145
00:45:00,150 --> 00:44:58,560
talk until recently

1146
00:45:01,670 --> 00:45:00,160
i mean your film was already in the can

1147
00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:01,680
and she's talking about that she

1148
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:02,960
witnessed it

1149
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:05,680
correct she wasn't the only one

1150
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:07,839
really yeah

1151
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:10,800
so i understand um

1152
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:12,640
i mean it's tough for everybody right

1153
00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:13,680
you know

1154
00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:15,200
um

1155
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:17,200
when when is one is the proper time to

1156
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:19,760
bring this out you know

1157
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:23,200
um i i watched that happen with several

1158
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:24,560
people and

1159
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:27,119
adults and

1160
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:28,960
yeah that's

1161
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:31,359
bravo for anybody that does that they're

1162
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:32,800
taking a risk

1163
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:36,079
they know it but you know is it

1164
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:39,359
is to hide that this truth

1165
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:41,119
uh

1166
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:43,359
is there anything really more important

1167
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:44,319
than

1168
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:46,400
the potential thing that is going on

1169
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:47,760
here

1170
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:49,760
because it's not just about one

1171
00:45:54,790 --> 00:45:51,760
individual it's not about a group it's

1172
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:54,800
about every single thing on this planet

1173
00:46:09,910 --> 00:45:58,829
i

1174
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:09,920
creatures that have never seen a human

1175
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:11,280
being

1176
00:46:20,470 --> 00:46:17,910
we should be aware of what other life

1177
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:20,480
forms are out there and what they what

1178
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:23,200
their interest in us is

1179
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:25,839
that's we have to know that

1180
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:26,880
so we can

1181
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:29,599
make some kind of plan or not plan but

1182
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:30,640
you know

1183
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:32,240
so we have all the information we could

1184
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:35,119
possibly have to understand and ideally

1185
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:36,560
communicate

1186
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:37,680
um

1187
00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:40,400
what their intentions for our us are

1188
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:42,160
i mean it's not negative or positive

1189
00:46:46,950 --> 00:46:44,319
it's not evil or good it's none of those

1190
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:46,960
things it's just

1191
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:50,480
nature and science really and um

1192
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:51,280
to

1193
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:52,720
address those

1194
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:55,200
those things so we understand

1195
00:46:58,710 --> 00:46:57,040
this other thing that is obviously in

1196
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:58,720
our environment

1197
00:47:01,750 --> 00:47:00,400
so what is it doing what do we know

1198
00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:01,760
about it

1199
00:47:05,349 --> 00:47:03,760
what can we expect you know all those

1200
00:47:07,589 --> 00:47:05,359
questions need to be asked and i gotta

1201
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:07,599
say leslie keane

1202
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:10,720
she is fantastic i'm so proud of her

1203
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:12,640
because she's done it the right way

1204
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:14,480
she's doing the journalistic approach

1205
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:17,119
she's a fantastic journalist

1206
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:20,240
and um i honor her work and i know how

1207
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:22,160
hard she works

1208
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:25,040
yep so i just wanted to salute her yeah

1209
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:26,880
she's been fantastic

1210
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:28,319
yeah yeah

1211
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:30,400
so i was uh yeah i was thrilled when she

1212
00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:32,160
said she would be on because she said

1213
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:34,960
i'm not going to be on any other show

1214
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:36,480
so that was nice

1215
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:39,040
so yeah but

1216
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:41,599
you know you think about

1217
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:42,720
what this

1218
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:43,680
means

1219
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:46,400
you know uh this particular case that uh

1220
00:47:51,030 --> 00:47:49,599
that you you have made this film about

1221
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:51,040
um it means

1222
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:53,040
that

1223
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:55,119
something we can't say who it was where

1224
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:57,119
they're from or anything like that but

1225
00:48:02,309 --> 00:47:59,359
something definitely happened

1226
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:02,319
and it was very well uh whoever the

1227
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:04,880
teacher was that said everyone draw up

1228
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:07,040
what you saw right now

1229
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:09,359
whoever that was was brilliant i mean

1230
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:11,599
they made a record right then and there

1231
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:13,119
and those images

1232
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:16,000
are are just amazing and there's again

1233
00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:17,920
we're seeing different types of images

1234
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:20,240
but a lot of similarities and that's

1235
00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:21,200
that's

1236
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:23,200
all you know

1237
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:25,680
all becomes credible in a way

1238
00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:26,880
um

1239
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:28,960
now i know you're very biased

1240
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:30,319
i always say

1241
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:32,240
in this particular case

1242
00:48:35,829 --> 00:48:34,319
when i i have said this and people that

1243
00:48:37,750 --> 00:48:35,839
listen to the show

1244
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:37,760
uh for a long time have heard me say

1245
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:39,839
this many times

1246
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:42,000
this is in my opinion the number one

1247
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:42,880
case

1248
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:44,640
of

1249
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:47,440
an encounter and why what made me

1250
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:49,200
actually think wow there's really

1251
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:51,599
something major going on here um and

1252
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:53,200
i've called it what i consider the

1253
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:56,000
number one ufo encounter case

1254
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:56,880
um

1255
00:49:01,670 --> 00:48:58,160
so

1256
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:01,680
had you felt that way before you started

1257
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:03,760
no i still don't feel that way i mean i

1258
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:05,040
feel like

1259
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:07,680
you know i i i don't feel biased

1260
00:49:12,390 --> 00:49:09,839
actually i feel

1261
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:12,400
that i did my work

1262
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:15,280
this is one of many many cases many many

1263
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:17,760
many many cases so

1264
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:19,200
uh

1265
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:24,079
cases out there

1266
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:26,400
not i'm not not it's not a competition

1267
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:29,599
for me like i just feel like i wanna

1268
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:30,800
expose

1269
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:32,800
more of the same thing

1270
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:34,319
with different

1271
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:37,839
people whether that's the military

1272
00:49:41,700 --> 00:49:39,440
in another country

1273
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:41,710
or what what it may be

1274
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:43,440
[Music]

1275
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:45,839
that's just my goal i mean i definitely

1276
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:48,400
i this story i mean i did know when i

1277
00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:51,280
was working on this story like i had bbc

1278
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:53,119
i had a harvard professor and i had a

1279
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:54,880
bunch of children

1280
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:57,599
i knew that was a hugely big story not

1281
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:00,240
in the ufo community but in just as a

1282
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:03,680
story like oh my gosh you know

1283
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:07,280
um and it took me years to uh try to

1284
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:09,359
convince people like that this was a

1285
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:11,599
story worth working on

1286
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:13,040
and uh

1287
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:16,319
and it sort of happened around 2012

1288
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:18,079
that a couple

1289
00:50:22,470 --> 00:50:20,640
editors i was trying to hire said well

1290
00:50:23,829 --> 00:50:22,480
let me see the footage let me see the

1291
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:23,839
kids

1292
00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:29,280
that changed everything yeah they were

1293
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:31,040
like you got to be kidding me who else

1294
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:32,480
is involved in this and then everybody

1295
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:35,440
got excited and started jumping on board

1296
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:38,720
yeah but yeah i hold it for five years

1297
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:39,599
of

1298
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:42,160
you know just working on it myself

1299
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:45,760
doing literally sound lighting

1300
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:46,880
camera

1301
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:50,000
interviews i mean that was crazy

1302
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:51,680
i never want to do that again it's true

1303
00:50:56,069 --> 00:50:54,400
you know you do so many jobs that i just

1304
00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:56,079
wanted to do the interview but i had to

1305
00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:58,640
watch the sound meters you know

1306
00:51:02,549 --> 00:51:00,640
put on the labs make sure everything is

1307
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:02,559
okay roll camera make sure it was the

1308
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:04,160
right frame rate

1309
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:07,760
right f-stop everything and um

1310
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:09,839
but anyway

1311
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:11,359
it was worth it

1312
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:12,240
right

1313
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:16,480
remember you and i had a conversation

1314
00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:17,760
about editing

1315
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:18,559
and

1316
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:22,559
what that was costing you per day

1317
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:23,280
so

1318
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:25,680
uh the money struggle that's

1319
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:27,760
that's uh what i hear over and over

1320
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:30,240
again i had a fun conversation with

1321
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:33,119
james fox up offline thank you on what

1322
00:51:37,589 --> 00:51:36,400
he went through a big help yeah

1323
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:37,599
that's great

1324
00:51:42,230 --> 00:51:40,319
but but i mean the money struggle is

1325
00:51:43,270 --> 00:51:42,240
when you are dedicated to doing

1326
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:43,280
something

1327
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:44,480
that kind of

1328
00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:48,160
like is a non-issue until you can't eat

1329
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:49,440
right you know

1330
00:51:55,829 --> 00:51:50,640
and you're trying to do everything

1331
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:55,839
yourself and it it is so so tough um and

1332
00:52:00,710 --> 00:51:58,079
i know that you were struggling out

1333
00:52:01,750 --> 00:52:00,720
there but you you just kept moving ahead

1334
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:01,760
and

1335
00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:04,400
um i want to congratulate you

1336
00:52:07,990 --> 00:52:05,280
so

1337
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:08,000
uh we're i can't believe this hour has

1338
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:12,480
like flown by so fast so we can look now

1339
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:13,680
um for

1340
00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:15,599
how how long is it going to be for

1341
00:52:19,349 --> 00:52:17,119
available

1342
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:19,359
where someone can rent this for the 48

1343
00:52:22,589 --> 00:52:20,400
hours

1344
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:22,599
oh it's available now at

1345
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:24,240
aerialphenomenon.com

1346
00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:27,040
and for about how long will it be do you

1347
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:29,280
have it do you have like a plan laid out

1348
00:52:35,349 --> 00:52:31,440
for how long it's going to be available

1349
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:35,359
and then it may go into other sources

1350
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:36,400
well

1351
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:38,800
we don't know yet um it may be end up on

1352
00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:40,720
a major streamer once they see the

1353
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:44,640
success that has happened in three days

1354
00:52:49,109 --> 00:52:46,559
i don't know there's a lot of unknowns

1355
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:49,119
i'm hoping that it gets you know to the

1356
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:51,680
big audience because that was the idea

1357
00:52:55,349 --> 00:52:53,440
yeah um

1358
00:52:57,270 --> 00:52:55,359
so and you know and when you know it's a

1359
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:57,280
two-hour rental but it's two hours from

1360
00:53:01,589 --> 00:52:59,280
the let me sorry two-hour rental uh

1361
00:53:03,750 --> 00:53:01,599
48-hour rental but it starts from the

1362
00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:03,760
time you click the play button

1363
00:53:06,150 --> 00:53:04,960
yeah

1364
00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:06,160
so

1365
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:08,079
you can have it for weeks or whatever

1366
00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:10,079
and when you want to see it you get to

1367
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:11,440
you'll be able to see it and watch it

1368
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:13,200
over and over for 48 hours which is what

1369
00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:15,359
i did after i released it i was like i

1370
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:20,740
and i was like god this is good

1371
00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:24,160
[Laughter]

1372
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:26,000
well randall it's always been a pleasure

1373
00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:26,800
and

1374
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:29,040
hope to have you get back again it's

1375
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:31,119
always great talking to you and yeah

1376
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:34,079
consider you a friend so we are friends

1377
00:53:38,309 --> 00:53:36,000
yes all right you take care thank you

1378
00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:38,319
too thank you all right okay

1379
00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:40,079
all right everyone so that'll do it for

1380
00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:42,880
us for the show tonight and next week we

1381
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:44,800
have mario woods

1382
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:46,480
remember everyone

1383
00:54:00,050 --> 00:53:48,810
to keep your eyes to the sky